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anethum wrote

i accidentally read the entirety of terry pratchett's guards! guards! instead of sleeping a few ago. had a good time with it

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devtesla wrote

Something I believe very strongly is that people deserve rights no matter what they have done. Our current system where abuse inflicted upon incarcerated people is informally considered part of punishment for a crime is just not acceptable in any way. That might be an easier path to argue than directly for the human rights of pedophiles, Lol.

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twovests OP wrote

(awh i had a nice big response to you here but my browser updated and lost it)

I agree with the perspective of prevention. I think people (even ones who have done bad things) have utility, and preventing them from causing further harm (rehabilitation, etc.) is what we'd have in a more ideal society.

But, and I hope this isn't too personal... I have to admit some merit in wishing death, I think. (Sans suffering or sadism.) Before your dad was out of your life, did you ever wish he were dead?

Like, I cut my abusive mom (+family) off in 2019. She made threats that had me on edge for months, but she was also in bad health. I have to admit that the fact she could die any day really kept me optimistic.

She was lying about her bad health and is still alive, but years have passed and I feel safer now. But I still admit that I'd feel safer.

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twovests OP wrote

(i had a nice big response to you here but i updated my browser and lost it)

I appreciate your response here and agree with you too. I've been thinking of "Everyone I Don't Like Is A Pedophile" for awhile now (especially with Elon Musk's "pedo guy" thing in 2018).

"They seem to only exist as a boogeyman" hits the nail on the head. On the other side, if you argue, "Wait, pedophiles are just normal people, you can't identify one by their vibes," it sounds like you're just trying to humanize them in their defense.

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Caribou OP wrote

i was playing Psycho Patrol R and there was a manhole that said "police" on it. I thought that was funny and thats how i found this website lol.

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devtesla wrote (edited )

I agree with this vent, entirely. The downstream effect of this level of violent rhetoric is that very few people who commit csa are actually prosecuted, for a few reasons. It essentially means that someone has to be fully dehumanized in front of a jury in order to be convicted, because they can't imagine anyone but the worst committing the crime. It means survivors aren't believed when their abuser is someone who is respected in a community. For children specifically, they often have a complex relationship with their abuser, and may not come forward to specifically because they don't see their abuser in this way.

It's also tied up in with the idea that someone who has been abused has been "ruined" in some way. I can always understand someone who has been through this kind of thing not talking about it, because they don't want to be perceived as a victim and have everything they do interpreted by others as an effect of the abuse.

I don't think this is going to get better either. The rhetoric in the air is just to call everyone you disagree with a pedophile, and then use that to talk up your righteousness as a person who's against pedophilia. While not really doing anything about it! They seem to only exist as a boogeyman. So yeah, you're totally justified to say something like "I don't need your violent fantasies" or something, because that's not really a justifiable way to act.

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hollyhoppet wrote

i do think there is something severely wrong with Are Society's relationship with excessive punitive violence. if you've ever been party to violence like that, including possibly death, it's like.... once you kill somebody they're gone forever. once you traumatize someone through torture they're traumatized for the rest of their life. is that really a just punishment, if there are other ways to prevent them from doing harm?

i think a lot about my abusive dad and i'm just glad he's out of my life so that he can only inflict his abusive misery on himself. like i wouldn't mind him getting punched in the face for what he's done but torture? death? what does that evens serve?

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