hollyhoppet wrote
i do think there is something severely wrong with Are Society's relationship with excessive punitive violence. if you've ever been party to violence like that, including possibly death, it's like.... once you kill somebody they're gone forever. once you traumatize someone through torture they're traumatized for the rest of their life. is that really a just punishment, if there are other ways to prevent them from doing harm?
i think a lot about my abusive dad and i'm just glad he's out of my life so that he can only inflict his abusive misery on himself. like i wouldn't mind him getting punched in the face for what he's done but torture? death? what does that evens serve?
hollyhoppet wrote
ah. ah i think part of it is like... i don't want them punished. i just want them to be better or at least unable to harm anyone.
twovests OP wrote
(awh i had a nice big response to you here but my browser updated and lost it)
I agree with the perspective of prevention. I think people (even ones who have done bad things) have utility, and preventing them from causing further harm (rehabilitation, etc.) is what we'd have in a more ideal society.
But, and I hope this isn't too personal... I have to admit some merit in wishing death, I think. (Sans suffering or sadism.) Before your dad was out of your life, did you ever wish he were dead?
Like, I cut my abusive mom (+family) off in 2019. She made threats that had me on edge for months, but she was also in bad health. I have to admit that the fact she could die any day really kept me optimistic.
She was lying about her bad health and is still alive, but years have passed and I feel safer now. But I still admit that I'd feel safer.
hollyhoppet wrote (edited )
my dad? no, he's pathetic, powerless, and has had know way to know who or where i am for ten years. but there certainly are harmful individuals who i do wish were dead, if you know what i mean.
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