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devtesla wrote (edited )

I agree with this vent, entirely. The downstream effect of this level of violent rhetoric is that very few people who commit csa are actually prosecuted, for a few reasons. It essentially means that someone has to be fully dehumanized in front of a jury in order to be convicted, because they can't imagine anyone but the worst committing the crime. It means survivors aren't believed when their abuser is someone who is respected in a community. For children specifically, they often have a complex relationship with their abuser, and may not come forward to specifically because they don't see their abuser in this way.

It's also tied up in with the idea that someone who has been abused has been "ruined" in some way. I can always understand someone who has been through this kind of thing not talking about it, because they don't want to be perceived as a victim and have everything they do interpreted by others as an effect of the abuse.

I don't think this is going to get better either. The rhetoric in the air is just to call everyone you disagree with a pedophile, and then use that to talk up your righteousness as a person who's against pedophilia. While not really doing anything about it! They seem to only exist as a boogeyman. So yeah, you're totally justified to say something like "I don't need your violent fantasies" or something, because that's not really a justifiable way to act.

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twovests OP wrote

(i had a nice big response to you here but i updated my browser and lost it)

I appreciate your response here and agree with you too. I've been thinking of "Everyone I Don't Like Is A Pedophile" for awhile now (especially with Elon Musk's "pedo guy" thing in 2018).

"They seem to only exist as a boogeyman" hits the nail on the head. On the other side, if you argue, "Wait, pedophiles are just normal people, you can't identify one by their vibes," it sounds like you're just trying to humanize them in their defense.

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devtesla wrote

Something I believe very strongly is that people deserve rights no matter what they have done. Our current system where abuse inflicted upon incarcerated people is informally considered part of punishment for a crime is just not acceptable in any way. That might be an easier path to argue than directly for the human rights of pedophiles, Lol.

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