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flabberghaster OP wrote

Reply to comment by twovests in cw transphobia by flabberghaster

Yeah, I 100% get why the trans person in this scenario is defending their right to shit in peace. What I'm more talking about is the fact that opponents of trans people have succeeded in diverting the entire thing into that, and frustrated by the fact that we haven't been able to break out of it.

This is a post about metanarratives, not the actual physical safety of trans people which of course the most important thing. I didn't mention it because I felt it went without saying. Idk.

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twovests wrote

I think it's that bathrooms are a place that are still gender-segregated, and where people feel vulnerable.

The patriarchy is a real thing that makes all of society asymmetrical among women and men, but focusing on the bathrooms is (1) simpler than all of that, and (2) something you can do without acknowledging the sexism built into society.

It's one place where you regularly make yourself vulnerable and to the mercy of the public, with a nice viewing-gap in every stall for some reason.

Say you have a red-blooded American idiot, feeling that natural vulnerability you feel with your cheeks on that seat. They sit down, and Tucker Carlson's visage appears in their mind, saying, "Be afraid! A transgender will RAPE you! It can HAPPEN RIGHT NOW!" And the transphobe wipes, get up, and get ready to leave, hands shaking ready to grab your pepper spray if there's a transgender on their way out.

But if you're just Any Transgender Person using the bathroom, it's probably the number one area where you can anticipate conflict. It was probably pretty scary the first few times you dared to use the "other" restroom. If you've been trans and using restroooms for awhile, you probably had conflict in the past.

You know now you got out safe, but those conflicts didn't start with that assurance. You wouldn't know if they would escalate to violence.

And when people feel increasingly empowered and even mandated to start conflicts at the bathroom, that die rolls again and again. Maybe next time you'll get shoved, or even pepper sprayed, or assaulted even worse.

So, the transgender person sits down on the seat in the adjacent stall, and the visage of Actual Conflicts You Had appear in your mind, saying, "Be afraid! Someone might yell at you! Or worse! It can HAPPEN RIGHT NOW!" It doesn't matter that the trans person has reason to be afraid and the transphobe doesn't-- both are afraid.

The trans person wipes, flushes, and goes to wash their hands. Your cortisol is up, and even just a scornful stare is enough to bring it higher.

I've definitely left situations like that feeling, "fuck!! i have all this anxious energy!! i need to POST about it", falling for the exact thing you described. And then Fox fucking News wins again.

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rain wrote

I hate to say it but there have always been people (mostly men) who preferred their “partners” be too immature and dependent to stand up for themselves, along with other people willing to enable them. Fighting these creeps is never going to stop because they never went away, they just got quiet for a bit. It’s a process, not an end.

maybe "having sex with children is bad" was just a temporary thing during the obama presidency. .. i miss him...

Honestly I can’t stand Obama, but he does seem to be one of the best people to have held that office in at least 3 decades. The sad thing is he can claim this based on little more than being the only one of the lot without credible sexual assault accusations.

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twovests OP wrote

i know "america is dying" has been discussed for decades now, but come on

our leaders are so old that "actuarial tables" come up regularly in political discussion. and that's not even the 100th worst thing about it!

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cowloom wrote

I wish I had an answer for you, but I doubt going around door to door and asking "are you undocumented and in need of assistance?" would get you anywhere. I would just try to find your local leftist group and see what they're like / if they're any good. Then maybe you guys can investigate conditions in your area and brainstorm ways of reaching out to people. We had decent luck with movie nights plus a discussion afterwards to introduce our organization to people.

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