Submitted by flabberghaster in vote_satan

It's really a coup the way the "trans debate" manages to silo the issue in to bathrooms. Whenever trans people come up in mainstream conversion, it's all about who can piss and shit where. The association of trans people with bathrooms just due to the fact that that topic always cones up is part of why I feel that so many people just kind of think of transness as weird and gross. The entire identity is reduced to talking about rooms where people piss and shit. And no one wants to talk or think about bathroom stuff.

I don't have any solutions. I just find it incredibly annoying and disheartening that this civil rights movement for people to live their lives as who they are and assert autonomy over their own lives and bodies, has been derailed into endless back and forths about god damn bathrooms.

Also, no one gives a fuck about women's sports except as an excuse to bag on trans people. Before trans people became an issue people even knew about, the idea of watching the WNBA was a joke about no one watching it except to ogle women.

We live in a profoundly sick society that pisses me off.

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twovests wrote

I think it's that bathrooms are a place that are still gender-segregated, and where people feel vulnerable.

The patriarchy is a real thing that makes all of society asymmetrical among women and men, but focusing on the bathrooms is (1) simpler than all of that, and (2) something you can do without acknowledging the sexism built into society.

It's one place where you regularly make yourself vulnerable and to the mercy of the public, with a nice viewing-gap in every stall for some reason.

Say you have a red-blooded American idiot, feeling that natural vulnerability you feel with your cheeks on that seat. They sit down, and Tucker Carlson's visage appears in their mind, saying, "Be afraid! A transgender will RAPE you! It can HAPPEN RIGHT NOW!" And the transphobe wipes, get up, and get ready to leave, hands shaking ready to grab your pepper spray if there's a transgender on their way out.

But if you're just Any Transgender Person using the bathroom, it's probably the number one area where you can anticipate conflict. It was probably pretty scary the first few times you dared to use the "other" restroom. If you've been trans and using restroooms for awhile, you probably had conflict in the past.

You know now you got out safe, but those conflicts didn't start with that assurance. You wouldn't know if they would escalate to violence.

And when people feel increasingly empowered and even mandated to start conflicts at the bathroom, that die rolls again and again. Maybe next time you'll get shoved, or even pepper sprayed, or assaulted even worse.

So, the transgender person sits down on the seat in the adjacent stall, and the visage of Actual Conflicts You Had appear in your mind, saying, "Be afraid! Someone might yell at you! Or worse! It can HAPPEN RIGHT NOW!" It doesn't matter that the trans person has reason to be afraid and the transphobe doesn't-- both are afraid.

The trans person wipes, flushes, and goes to wash their hands. Your cortisol is up, and even just a scornful stare is enough to bring it higher.

I've definitely left situations like that feeling, "fuck!! i have all this anxious energy!! i need to POST about it", falling for the exact thing you described. And then Fox fucking News wins again.

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flabberghaster OP wrote

Yeah, I 100% get why the trans person in this scenario is defending their right to shit in peace. What I'm more talking about is the fact that opponents of trans people have succeeded in diverting the entire thing into that, and frustrated by the fact that we haven't been able to break out of it.

This is a post about metanarratives, not the actual physical safety of trans people which of course the most important thing. I didn't mention it because I felt it went without saying. Idk.

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twovests wrote

Oh yeah, I want to be clear that I agree with you. I just wanted to illustrate it, for lack of better words.

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