oh no... the "vote blue no matter who" people and the "i will not vote for genocide joe biden" people are going to keep arguing for another year??? i'm already tired of it

part of the reason for changing from srsly to cute_spider was a clip of south park where cartman was screaming "I'm seriously, you guys! I'm seriously!" and I was like, "aw man inadvertent south park reference."

the key thing is that the "both sides are the same" argument is the south park argument.

on some mainstream parts of the internet, "biden is 99% hitler" is a point of discussion we're expected to take seriously and debate with the south park folks

im a big srsly/cute_spider fan and this is wonderful to learn

no no no youre making the argument i dont want to hear the argument

I DIDNT KNOW YOU'RE THE POSTER FORMERLY KNOWN AS SRSLY omg lol

I will not vote for my senators, rep nor the president due to their refusal to call for a ceasefire but I don't think both sides are the same. I just won't vote for anyone genocidal.

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it's cause I changed all my social icons to cute_spider_avatar

The thing is that a ceasefire is a pause in the genocide, not an end. It's not even a return to the status quo as of October 6th. A ceasefire is a compromise that still keeps things on the course toward genocide.

It falls far short from an acceptable way for things to be, it's less than a bare minimum, and yet it's still on the optimistic fringes of what could happen in the next week or month. That sucks!!

I'm still enthusiastically pro-ceasefire as a step off of the course of genocide. Same boat as you-- I'm disgusted my senators and my rep likewise haven't been able to call even for that.

But my personal pride doesn't matter, and the only benefit I could see to not-voting (or voting for Jill Stein) is to punish and pressure the Democratic party toward the left. But I don't see an argument for that being more effective than actually voting in Democrats and continuing to pressure them while they're in office.

Yeah, I agree with all of that. Clearly a "ceasefire" doesn't come close to enough. But that is the immediate demand, an end to the killing, right now, and it's still too much to ask for.

In a just world, we'd cut off all military aid to Israel and impose sanctions but that's just never going to happen.

But my personal pride doesn't matter, and the only benefit I could see to not-voting (or voting for Jill Stein) is to punish and pressure the Democratic party toward the left. But I don't see an argument for that being more effective than actually voting in Democrats and continuing to pressure them while they're in office.

I don't agree with this. I don't think "elect and then pressure" works if they know you're going to still vote for them. Marching in the streets doesn't do anything. Calling them doesn't do anything.

I don't begrudge people who do plan to still vote for them, but you're putting yourself in a very weak position to influence them if they know they're going to get what they want from you pretty much either way: your vote.

As well, I will not vote for them on principle, because they are actively assisting in a genocide. I don't care if the other guy's worse. If the lesser evil is doing a genocide then I'm out. That's it. Nothing will change my mind on this.

it's aaaall coming together now

I can't really blame you for how you feel here. I'm feeling pretty similarly. Choosing between two parties where the common ground is "genocide is good and we have an obligation to perpetuate it" is driving me insane.

At the same time, I can't realistically imagine any path to ending the genocide without the US democrats in control (on top of all the other things that are A Little Bit Better with dems). (Even then, I don't think it's realistic, or even plausible. Just far more likely than it coming from Republicans, and that as far more likely than something like a successful revolution with a better govt.)

I don't say this to convince you otherwise. If anything, I guess I might be convinced otherwise. If we're both in blue states, a vote for Jill Stein (mannn) might scare Dems by that fraction of a bit. Fuck it, let's vote for Jill Stein