Submitted by twovests in just_post

I know this is a common trope with presidential elections but things are looking thoroughly Bad. Fascism is here in the US and it seems here to stay.

But to be honest, I don't know much about other countries or where I'd want to go. It's a huge amount to think about. I'm wondering if anybody else has considered this, and what they've found?

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hollyhoppet wrote

heck i looked into this during the bush administration. it seems pretty hard unless you have work outside the country to get you out, or lots of cash. also, you'll still be an american citizen and it's often difficult to become a naturalized citizen. iirc when i was looking into it i was looking to canada and you have to have been a resident for a decade.

anyway this is one of the reasons leftists often say borders are bs

things might change if it ever comes to a point where countries offer asylum, but that i assume that wouldn't happen unless the us government is engaging in clear and open systematic persecution of minority groups

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devtesla wrote

If I was under 30 I'd conciser doing a working holiday in New Zealand, which gives you 12 months and lets you work, and gives you a chance to get a job that you can transition into a longer term residence visa and eventually a permanent one. Not really a sure thing though. And yea lots of other countries have working holiday visas, generally targeted at graduates.

I've researched immigrating to Germany and it's odd, there's a bureaucratic puzzle there but the requirements are all much less than other countries. It's worth a look, and people have just gotten on a plane to Germany and then figured out the rest from there.

All of this takes money tho. And yea I keep my passport handy so I can get the fuck out of the country if I need to, all this bureaucratic stuff is mostly just about staying more than three months and being able to work.

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voxpoplar wrote

I have an acquaintance who works in IT who moved to Ireland recently. I could ask them about it if you'd like?

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Moonside wrote (edited )

First, I want to offer the meagre hope that Trump re-election is looking somewhat unlikely according to the polls, not that Biden is that much more palatable, but the republican agenda is none-the-less likely to be hindered. Clinton's loss was a mix of unusual circumstances, both tactical and strategic blunders and weak economy in early 2016. (A big part of issues with polls is that they struggle to account for the electoral college, but it's still unusual for popular vote winners to lose and the the situation in the key swing states is favorable to Biden.) Of course you might have prospects other than Trump in mind, but I think almost everyone is dedicating some thought into the issue, so it might be in your mind too.

I'd like to highlight nordic countries as an option. If you manage to make it in one country, it's somewhat easy to move between them because of cultural, political and economic ties.

Everyone speaks English, though finding employment is easier if you speak a native language. Many large companies operate internally in English, for example. In addition, Swedish, Norwegian and Danish are relatively easy to learn for an English speaker so it's reasonably feasibly to escape expat circles. (Finnish is way more challenging - the challenge is akin to learning korean or japanese. Many english speakers have done it so it's possible, just challenging.)

If you got a degree in software engineering and work experience at Amazon, I am confident it's possible for you score a local software job. The local bourgeoisie is quite concerned about shrinking labor force, this can work in your favor.

I don't want to hype the nordic too much, I just think that after the anglophone countries they're the easiest place to move to for you.

One last thing to consider is dual citizenship. Becoming a citizen has multiple upsides, if you choose to stay, and may or mat not keep your US citizenship as well. I think this is possible in Finland or Sweden, but you need to check for others.

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