Submitted by twovests in just_post (edited )

There's a big push by the far-right news media in the US to conflate Zionism with Jewishness, and so, to conflate anti-Zionism with anti-semitism.

To be as generous as possible to this argument, we can start with the wildly anti-semitic assumption that all Jewish people are Zionists. There are about 15 million Jewish people worldwide, about 7 million of which are in Israel and about 7 million of which are in the US. That 15 million is up to about 20 million if we include people with partial Jewish ancestry.

Again, it's wildly antisemitic to assume all Jewish people are Zionists-- that's just a generous assumption we make in favor of the far-right. But let's go with it and say that there are 15 million Jewish zionists.

But the Evangelical Christian right zionist numbers dwarf the Jewish zionist numbers. The Christians United for Israel alone boasts 10 million members.

Counting just that one organization, that's 10 million Christian zionists in the US to the 7 million Jewish people in the US. Counting just Evangelical Christians in the US (who definitionally support the existence of Israel), that's about 70 million Christian Zionists in the United States alone.

It's worth noting that this 70 million is a far lower bound, because it only counts evangelical Christians in the United States. But the 20 million Jewish people who could support Zionism is the maximum.

I don't have much a point, these are just scraps from "Christmas is Fascist: Act 3". Once again, Christianity is very bad for the world, thank you for coming to my ted talk, etc etc etc.

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hollyhoppet wrote

There's a big push by the far-right news media in the US to conflate Zionism with Jewishness, and so, to conflate anti-Zionism with anti-semitism.

My friend the American left is doing this too lmao. But yeah you are completely correct on all points anyway.

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flabberghaster wrote

For this reason I don't even use the term Zionist; i feel like most people are sincere when they say they oppose Israel. But some are just using "look at these Zionists" as a find and replace for Jews and then hiding behind palestine when they get called on it.

For that reason I always criticize the specific thing someone's doing that I don't like, and I do think people need to be more careful about letting the right take on left talking points as a way to try to peel people off.

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twovests OP wrote

I believe it, yeah. It's not something I'm exposed to (typical "every Zionist I know is a Christian, and every Jewish person I know is a leftist antizionist").

Do you think it'd be wrong to say that the far-right really weaponizes Jewish people in this way though? I really saw "Zionism is not Judaism" as a kind of a common refrain over this past year.

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hollyhoppet wrote

The far right weaponizes leterally everything lol so I don't think it would be wrong at all. It's just worth not ignoring the fact that biden is siccing militarized police on protesters for being "anti-semitic" too.

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twovests OP wrote

ahh yeah

i would include joe biden in the christian zionist right (genocide and whatnot) but you do have a point

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